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tically. Mr. Goldman: But how would that work? Mr. Archer: Because people would be intimidated to mess with them. Mr. Goldman: In what way? Mr. Archer: Legally. Then-Vice President Joe Biden attended dinners with Hunter Biden’s foreign business associates who wired money to Biden associated LLCs. Majority Counsel: And I want to talk about the value. Going back to this, it would be, spring of 2014 Cafe Milano dinner ‑‑ Mr. Archer: Uh‑huh. The spring of ’14, yeah, the first one. Majority Counsel: And since we talked about it before the break, if you could just recap. Can you just say again who was there? Mr. Archer: Sure. Kenes Rakishev, Karim Massimov, Yelena Baturina, possibly Yury, Hunter Biden, Joe Biden, possibly Eric Schwerin. Majority Counsel: The duration of time that Joe Biden stayed there you said you couldn’t recall. But do you recall whether he had dinner or whether ‑‑ Mr. Archer: He had dinner, yeah. I recall that he had dinner. It was a regular ‑‑ not a long dinner, but dinner. Majority Counsel: And so this dinner takes place in spring of 2014, approximately. But then do you recall getting a wire on February 14th of 2014 from Yelena Baturina for $3.5 million to Rosemont --- e. I believe it was a Fisker first and then a Porsche. But it was ‑‑ yes, it ‑‑ Majority Counsel: For an expensive car. Mr. Archer: For an expensive car, yes. *** Majority Counsel: All right. Let’s move on to the second dinner ‑‑ Mr. Archer: The second dinner. Majority Counsel: ‑‑ the spring 2015 Cafe Milano. Who was there? Mr. Archer: That dinner was ‑‑ I think we went over it before, but it was Vadym, Hunter, Joe, myself, Karim Massimov, a Greek Orthodox priest, maybe someone from World Food Programme. Majority Counsel: And what did Joe do at that dinner? Did he have dinner? How long was he there? Mr. Archer: He had dinner. He had dinner. And there was ‑‑ on that one, I believe the first one was, like, a birthday dinner, and then the second was ‑‑ I think we were supposed to talk about the World Food Programme. So there was some talk about that. *** Then-Vice President Joe Biden spoke with Hunter Biden’s business associates by speakerphone. Majority Counsel: How many times would you say that Hunter Biden put his father on speakerphone or referenced his father being on the phone in front of others who were either foreign investors or foreign nationals who he was soliciting busines